republicans don't -- >> andrea: admit it. face calf cliff is not the fiscal cliff. it should be called returning to the clinton era tax rate. isn't that the democrats' dream? return to clinton era tax rates? >> juan: that was 39%. that is not a big deal. not comparable to rates under reagan or going back to clinton. clinton was 39%. >> eric: that is where we are going. what about this. every time boehner an obama get close to a deal, president obama moves the goalpost back. >> kimberly: he is playing hard ball. this is the problem. he is going hmm to you, republicans. i don't care about that. that is nothing. i get that for free. he is the guy changing the play for his side. what about the right? >> juan: the american people. look at the poll, they think president obama is willing to compromise. >> andrea: which is ironic. [ overtalk ] >> juan: who are the obstructionists? it's my ideology, i can't negotiate. even if we go off the cliff, endanger the whole economy. >> greg: here is thing. the idea of adhering to a principle in this world is seen as extremism, trying